The idea that New York would be especially bad for someone with Social Anxiety Disorder seems to me completely unfounded. Depression and anxiety are internal matters; they may be triggered to a greater or lesser extent by external factors, but an otherwise healthy isn’t likely to become clinically depressed because New York features a lot of media attention, while S.A.D. is a disorder precisely because its feelings of anxiety are not reflective of reality. Greinke might find New York stressful or he might not, might like it or not, but it’s unlikely that external factors would determine his mental health. I know plenty of people who deal with anxiety and depression and who find New York much easier to thrive in than their smaller hometowns.

Besides — though this may less true among athletes and sports fans than in the city’s larger culture — few places on earth are more accepting of psychiatry. Not to turn this post into a Woody Allen riff, but our shrink per capita ratio is off the charts, and New Yorkers talk about their therapists about as frequently as they discuss the weather (granted my view is probably a little warped from working in publishing and journalism, where psychotherapy is essentially mandatory).

Emma Span, Bronx Banter.

Great points abound. Thanks to reports in the Daily News and elsewhere, I was operating under the assumption that Greinke wanted no part of pitching in New York. As Emma points out, that might very well be true, but it’s unfair for us to assume it’s the case just because he has suffered from social anxiety disorder.

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  1. I think she’s off on this one.

    She’s framing it in a really strange way . . .

    “but an otherwise healthy [person] isn’t likely to become clinically depressed because New York features a lot of media attention”

    Well, he’s not going to get depressed sitting there thinking about New York’s media coverage . . . but rather because HE IS New York’s media coverage (or what they’re covering).

    And yes, intense external scrutiny following a life-altering decision is EXACTLY why someone might become depressed. Couple that with genetics and past history and I’d say he has every right to be concerned.

    “I know plenty of people who deal with anxiety and depression and who find New York much easier to thrive in”

    Ted, you hate confirmation bias! This is confirmation bias of the worst kind. Does she think that the number of people who tell her about their success is equal to the number of people who tell her about their struggles? Seems unlikely.

    • I don’t think that’s what she’s saying. I think she’s saying we don’t really know Zack Greinke, we don’t know the exact nature of his problem or what factors would set it off, and so it’s silly to assume that New York or playing in New York would do it just because it’s a big city.

  2. I think shes right is saying that people are wrong to assume that he wouldnt come here because of his disorder, but I still think its more than 100% fair for people to see it as a HUGE HUGE red flag if a New York team obtains him.

    I mean yea, maybe he would come here when we all thought because of his SAD that he wouldnt want too, but just because at some point this winter that he decides he could handle NY, doesnt neccessarily make it a wise move for a NY team to commit millions and millions of dollars too him.

    I mean just in general per wikipedia:

    “Social anxiety disorder (SAD, SAnD) (DSM-IV 300.23), also called social phobia (SP),[1] is an anxiety disorder characterized by intense fear in social situations[1] causing considerable distress and impaired ability to function in at least some parts of daily life. The diagnosis can be of a specific disorder (when only some particular situations are feared) or a generalized disorder. Generalized social anxiety disorder typically involves a persistent, intense, chronic fear of being judged by others and of being embarrassed or humiliated by one’s own actions. These fears can be triggered by perceived or actual scrutiny from others.”

    I mean like you say we dont know the specifics of his case or where hes at right now, but just the nature of that disorder on any level, and playing for a NY team would seem to me like a fairly volitile mix, and I think any concerns and assumption the media may make are fair play.

  3. I’m convinced the Mets are in a holding pattern. For as little money as we supposedly have to spend, the new front office hasn’t even had enough time to do a full assessment of the team (minors especially). There won’t be major moves because the front office has no idea what we have.

    As for Greinke, although weary of the New York media, I think Greinke could be fine. Don’t underestimate this kid’s resilience. Most people know he’s suffered from social anxiety disorder, but we’re forgetting it’s because he was rushed to the majors at age 20, and left to be Superman on a team that can’t win. He’s battled back. That Cy Young shows more than numbers, it shows this kid’s a fighter.

    I said this in another post, being the Mets, helps us with Greinke. As crazy as New York media is, this is a Yankee town right now. With the team re-building, Greinke will have a chance to grow with what we’re trying to build.

    As for Ike, the Royals don’t need or want Ike, unless they see him as an OF. They already have Billy Butler on the big league club, and Eric Hosmer (a prospect with a MUCH MUCH higher ceiling than Ike according to baseball insiders).

    I love Niese,I love Flores’ potential. But if Niese and Flores and maybe Captain Kirk and/or Duda can net Greinke. I do it. Our ball park, our need for proven talent, and the fact that we’ll soon be free from financial mess we’re in…means that we’re very close to contention. Greinke makes us closer.

    Besides, save Ike for the trade to get Adrian Gonzalez.

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