Prospect trade freakout

OK, this is not going to happen. But it came up on Twitter and I’m wondering what you think.

Wil Myers, you may recall, is the Royals’ top prospect. He hit 37 home runs across Double- and Triple-A with a combined .314/.387/.600 line at age 21 in 2012. Myers was recently ranked the fourth best prospect in baseball by Jonathan Mayo at MLB.com and placed third on John Sickels’ preliminary top 50 position-player prospects list.

Zack Wheeler, you probably know, is the Mets’ top prospect. He managed a 3.26 ERA across Double- and Triple-A with 148 strikeouts, 59 walks and a 1.168 WHIP as a 22-year-old in 2012. Wheeler was recently ranked the seventh best prospect in baseball by Jonathan Mayo at MLB.com and placed fifth on John Sickels’ preliminary top 50 pitching prospects list.

The Royals are widely rumored to be seeking starting pitching help this offseason, as the Mets are widely rumored to be seeking outfielders. I’ve got my answer on this one but I’m more interested in your thoughts. And, again, I don’t think would actually happen, since straight-up prospect-for-prospect deals of this magnitude are typically the stuff of video games:

Up came McElroy

Y’all know I like Mark Sanchez about as much as anybody outside his immediate family, what with his handsomeness and his sideline hot-dogs and his fondness for Taco Bell and everything. And I hardly think Sanchez is responsible for all or even most of what’s gone wrong for the Jets this season. Every aspect of their offense has failed: running, passing, blocking, catching.

Here's what Greg McElroy looks like. But even for this Sanchez apologist, it was impossible to watch the fourth quarter of yesterday’s Jets win over the Cardinals and not think Greg McElroy is the team’s best option at quarterback right now. It’s a tiny sample, but he threw a demonstrably better ball than Sanchez, appeared to make better decisions and panicked less frequently. Even if it was only a small burst, the offense functioned better with McElroy at the helm.

A corollary is that Bilal Powell shared the backfield with McElroy for much of his stint, and Powell appears to be a bit better at the things the Jets need from their running back than Shonn Greene is. I’m no scout, so take all this with multiple grains of salt: You hear broadcasters describe Greene as “a downhill runner” pretty frequently, and I think that’s in part a nice way of saying he takes a long time to reach full speed. When you’re playing the offensive line — and I’ve played a lot of offensive line — you resent those guys, because holes opened on the interior are only going to last a split second. Greene seems to be at his best on slower-developing off-tackle runs on which he can build up speed behind a pulling lineman then use his size to barrel over linebackers and defensive backs. Though smaller, Powell actually seems better suited for quick inside hits and traps, since he looks to accelerate faster. And based on very little evidence, I suspect Powell might be the superior blocker on passing plays.

As a Jets fan, then, I’d rather see them play out their inevitable march to 8-8 with McElroy and Powell getting the bulk of the playing time. I’m not ready to entirely bail on the idea of Mark Sanchez being a capable NFL quarterback, but it looks pretty clear now that he’s not going to emerge as an excellent or even very good NFL quarterback. With McElroy, that possibility still exists, and would be something to dream on and assess for the last month of the season.

Plus, with Sanchez on the sidelines holding the clipboard with his helmet off, Jets fans get to benefit from his handsomeness without suffering through his interceptions. Call me when Greg McElroy looks this good on a boat phone:

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Take warning

The Winter Meetings are here, and with them all the requisite nonsense and Twitter fuss and speculation ranging from reasonable to ridiculous.

josh-tholeMets fans, understandably, seem pretty geared up for a trade, since the team needs to improve to compete any time in the short- or long-term future and because it does not appear as if the front office has a lot of flexibility to throw around money at free agents. The players the Mets are targeting, at least according to the early rumors, are outfielders and catchers. They need both, no doubt, but the needs are not equal.

Outside of his ability to catch R.A. Dickey’s knuckleball, Josh Thole stunk after his concussion in early May of 2012. Upon returning from the disabled list on June 1, Thole hit a measly .217/.273/.263, and his .257 wOBA for the year ranked him dead last among Major League catchers with at least 300 plate appearances. For the season, he walked slightly less and struck out slightly more than he did in 2010 and 2011, and he somehow hit for even less power. It was an awful year for Thole at the plate.

But Thole’s 26, he’s under team control for the next four seasons, he hits left-handed and his history shows he’s not nearly as bad an offensive player as he was in 2012. It’s impossible to say the extent to which his concussion impacted his abilities at the plate, but far better hitters than Thole have struggled offensively after head injuries. And given the stark difference between the modest standard Thole set in his first two seasons versus the miserable numbers he posted this year, it seems reasonable to guess that his woes were at least partly due to the aftereffects of that injury. Thole actually seems like a guy we might be targeting as a buy-low option if he spent his terrible 2012 with any other team.

There’s no guarantee Thole bounces back to his 2010-2011 form, and even if he does he’s hardly Mike Piazza at the plate. But given his age, his contract status and the injury, he seems potentially too useful to give up on in favor of a player who would only make for a mild upgrade.

J.P. Arencibia, frequently linked to the Mets in early trade rumors, is merely a mild upgrade. He hits for way more power, but his production is mitigated by his inability to get on base with any frequency. His 88 career OPS+ is only a tick higher than Thole’s 85, and his .275 career on-base percentage is about exactly the same as Thole’s post-injury mark in 2012. And he’s not much of a defender.

Arencibia will be 27 in January, so he could still improve a bit — though so could Thole. Plus he hits right-handed and he won’t be eligible for free agency until after 2016. If he were practically free, or a part of a larger trade package, he’d make a decent right-handed complement to Thole in a platoon. But since he hasn’t hit lefties as well as free-agents Kelly Shoppach, Chris Snyder, Ronny Paulino or even Bobby Wilson, none of whom seems likely to command a whole ton of money, Arencibia hardly seems worth targeting in a trade unless he lands in the Mets’ laps.

Arencibia’s Minor League history should also sound a small warning about the Blue Jays’ more coveted young catcher, Travis d’Arnaud. d’Arnaud moved through the Minors at a younger age than Arencibia and typically posted more promising walk rates. But though d’Arnaud’s .333/.380/.595 line as a 23-year-old at Triple-A Las Vegas looks enticing to a Mets fan dreaming of an All-Star catcher, it’s not far off from the .301/.359/626 marks Arencibia posted in Vegas as a 24-year-old in 2010. d’Arnaud carries a better reputation in prospect circles than Arencibia ever did, and, again, he’s younger and far more likely to emerge as a Major League star, so worth way more in a trade than Arencibia. But he’s far from a guarantee to immediately succeed in the Majors. Sometimes what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

Moreover, the Mets need outfielders more than they need a catcher. Right now, their best two-way outfielder is either Kirk Nieuwenhuis or Mike Baxter. That duo has about a full season’s worth of Major League plate appearances between them. Lucas Duda has more, but his ability to stay in the outfield should be considered questionable at best. All three of them hit left-handed, as does Jordany Valdespin. Their best righty-hitting in-house outfielder, again, is either Juan Lagares or Cory Vaughn, neither of whom appears ready to play in the Majors by Opening Day 2013.

It could be that outfielders will be easier to come by on the scrap heap, so much so to justify trading for a catcher. But the outfield needs to be the team’s priority this offseason, and it’s not all that close. As hard as this may be to believe, the Mets are better off hoping Thole bounces back and starting the season with him and Anthony Recker than starting all three of Baxter, Nieuwenhuis and Duda in the outfield with no righty-hitting hedge.

Friday Q&A, pt. 4: The randos

Via email, real-life friend Bill writes:

Ted Berg’s all-time, no-holds-barred, ultimate music supergroup line-up?

It switches all the time, as Bill knows. And you might have to look some of these guys up. For today, let’s make it funky and go with Stanton Moore on drums, Norwood Fisher on bass, Phelps Collins and Jimi Hendrix on guitars, and a horn section featuring Cannonball Adderley and Skerik on saxophones, Wycliffe Gordon on trombone, and Maynard Ferguson on the trumpet. I’m not sure I’d say any of those guys is the best all time at his instrument, I just think they’d make for an unspeakably awesome band. Hendrix could sing if necessary, but I don’t really think they’d need vocals very often.

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First things first, I take off my pants. No one’s ever going to make me wear pants again.

What was it, $580 million or something? So figure I wind up with $300 million after taxes. I use $100 million to make sure my parents, my sister and her family, and all my in-laws are set for life. I put $100 million in the bank to collect interest and so I can pay taxes on all the stuff I buy with the remaining $100 million.

Next, I throw the most baller-ass party anybody can possibly imagine. Rent out some awesome venue, hire the fanciest caterer and have him make cheeseburgers, serve Johnnie Walker Blue in every cocktail, all sorts of ridiculous excess. I don’t even know if I have enough friends to come to my multimillion-dollar party, so I have my people reach out to Puff Daddy’s people and see if he’ll co-sponsor it and come hang out under the agreement that he is absolutely not to rap at any point in the party. We’ll book the remaining members of the Wu-Tang Clan for that. So it’ll be me and a bunch of my friends, Puff Daddy and a bunch of his friends, and the Wu-Tang Clan, hanging out. And there’s going to be carnival rides, games of chance, a wheel of cheese to put Andrew Jackson’s to shame, and that guy Ted Batchelor who sets himself on fire.

Finally, I buy the penthouse at 432 Park Avenue, the highest residential location in New York City, and a pet alpaca, and I hunker down for the pantsless life of an eccentric rich guy.

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My listening habits suggest it’s the 70s or the 90s, followed by the 00s. I would have thought I listened to more stuff from the 60s, but looking through my iPod, it’s mostly the Beatles and some live James Brown material from that decade. I probably listen to more stuff from the 90s than any other decade, though I don’t listen to a lot of the same stuff now that I did in the 90s. I don’t have a ton of music I love from the 10s, because I’m old now and crotchety. These kids these days with their dubstep. Bah.

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Wait, who said I’m going to die? I’m planning a full St. Germain.

Friday Q&A, pt. 3: Food stuff

Via email, Nick writes:

I am a sandwich enthusiast not unlike you. But one component you do net seem to delve into as much as you should is Ssuce. Not Sriracha or Cholula, I’m talking a sauce with many components that can turn a regular sandwich into… well I will let you finish that. Come on Ted, I am disappointed.

I followed up with Nick to ask what sort of sauce he meant, if not Sriracha or Cholula — two of the saucier hot sauces, for what it’s worth. He added:

I’m talking a house sauce. There’s a couple places in my home town that I go just to buy some sauce to keep in my fridge (picante, ranch). I put them on any sandwich to change the dynamic or to dip sandwich in. It is nearly impossible to replicate these sauces in your own kitchen and not your standard store bought. A good sauce is like the bloodline of good food.

I didn’t realize I have given sauces the short shrift here, so I apologize to anyone else disappointed or in some way offended. It’s always a case by case thing, but typically I feel sauces are best as a complement to the rest of the ingredients, not the dominant flavor. So I usually discuss sauces when they are incorporated in good sandwiches and rarely otherwise.

Here are three sauces I very much enjoy:

– Green sauce from Pio Pio: The green sauce from Pio Pio is pretty much the best thing. It’s spicy, but in a different way than most spicy things, and it’s creamy and tangy and somehow fresh tasting. There are a bunch of Pio Pios around the city. No sandwiches there, but the chicken is delicious. Get some, then take home as much of the green sauce as they’ll let you have. It’s good on everything.

– Honey mustard from Chili’s: Judge away. The honey mustard from Chili’s has to be at least 90 percent pure fat, with the remaining ten percent contributing to a pleasant honey-mustardy mix of sweetness and tang. It’s amazing. You guys.

– Barbecue sauce from Rocklands: Rocklands is a four-location barbecue restaurant in the DC area. One of the locations happens to be right near the now-closed bar where my band used to play every week, which led to a lot of Rocklands. Really good barbecue, really good barbecue sauce. It’s the more liquidy type of barbecue sauce, served hot with a ladle from a cauldron. And you have to work around the onions if you don’t particularly like onions. But it’s great: Very vinegary, a little bit sweet.

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Obviously various breads are useful for various sandwiches, but for a straightforward deli sandwich I like a straightforward Kaiser roll. It’s got a nice crunchiness to the crust, it’s sturdy enough to handle a good saucing, and it’s airy enough on the inside to get out of the way of the sandwich stuff.

For what it’s worth, I generally prefer a Kaiser roll even to its larger cousin, the hero. No disrespect to heroes, but a hero is usually slightly more food and more bread than I’m looking to eat. Often I eat it all anyway, though.

Apparently, the Kaiser roll is thought to be named for Emperor Franz Joseph of Austria. It was invented in Vienna while bakers there were experimenting with new leavening methods.

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My method is to go to Fairway, hang around the cheese counter until the redheaded guy who kind of looks like Bill Burr shows up, then ask him what cheeses I should get so he tells me all about their cheese selection and gives me a bunch of free samples.

We brought something called Young Farmer’s Gouda to my parents’ house on Thanksgiving and it was excellent. I also very much like a cheese they have at Fairway called Midnight Moon.

I think a good method for a cheese platter is to mix up your cheeses. Maybe go with one from cow milk, one from sheep’s milk and one from goat’s milk, or one sharp, one mild and one stinky.

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Can 1-year-olds eat deli meat? If you’re entertaining, you’re going to want a couple of things everyone likes. Turkey is always a safe bet, maybe honey-maple turkey if you want to be fancy about it. Maybe roast beef for that, too, but roast beef is tricky because good roast beef typically comes in huge slices that aren’t as easily manageable. Ham’s also fine, but I feel like people who are into ham would also be down with trying the soppressata and hot coppa that you should also buy, so it might be unnecessary. A lot of this depends on who’s coming over. If your friends are lame they’re not going to want to try exotic Italian meats, and you might want to consider making new friends.

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Well, a sandwich on a croissant is fine. In that case, the croissant’s basically just acting as a soft roll and it’s plenty delicious.

A burger on a doughnut is another thing entirely. I haven’t tried one and I haven’t had the opportunity to try one. It’s a bit like bungee jumping, in that it’s something I will always maintain and actually believe that I’m willing to do until I’m faced with actually being able to do it, at which point I grow timid. Burger on a doughnut. It’s obviously gimmicky, and I think it might be taking everything way too far. It’s hard for me to figure out how a doughnut would improve a burger.

Friday Q&A, pt. 2: General baseball

Via email, Steve writes:

The biggest impact steroids had was keeping people on the field when their bodies would have broken down. McGwire could not stay on the field until he used and countless players could play no more after stopping. Palmiero doesn’t sniff 3K hits without. Just how do you account for this effect to vote some into the hall?

It’s a good question, and something I admittedly gloss over when arguing for suspected or confirmed steroids users’ inclusion in the Hall of Fame. I think you have to account for it by adjusting the benchmarks for the Hall of Fame, the same way you would when evaluating guys from the dead-ball era or hitters who’ve played their whole careers in Colorado.

For a variety of reasons, offensive numbers from the late 90s and early aughts are inflated over historical norms, both in single-season and long-term returns. All we need to do to account for that is to understand that hitting 500 home runs during that time should be considered less impressive than hitting 500 home runs when Frank Robinson did it.

For what it’s worth, if I had a ballot I’d vote for McGwire but not Palmeiro. Lots of personal biases playing into that, of course. I happen to really like Mark McGwire.

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I suspect not, since the corollary to Triple Crown talk in Cabrera’s MVP case was that he moved to third base for the good of his team (and his team made the playoffs, even if they did so by feasting on a host of crappy teams in their division and still finished with a worse record than the Angels). But I’m guessing that if everything else stayed the same except Cabrera DH’d all year and never moved back to third base, he’d still win the AL MVP. And you know what? Whatever. Miguel Cabrera’s awesome, let us not forget.

Man I hope so, because pepper games are fun. Also, “No Pepper Games” would be a fine album title.

Friday Q&A, pt. 1: Mets stuff

I don’t know, dude. $138 million may sound like a lot of money, but you should see Ike Davis’ bar tabs. But presumably Murphy’s bachelor party will be at a batting cage, so Wright should be able to afford the rental, the pizza, and the party hats.

Can I say no one? Going with no one. They’re never going to top Roy Hibbert’s, and with the Mets’ luck the attempt would end with a career-threatening ankle injury.

Hmm… I’d put them like:

1) Santana trade
2) Piazza trade
3) Hampton trade
4) Wright extension
5) Piazza extension

Though they were certainly nice, both extensions seemed more or less inevitable, so they don’t match the trades for excitement. My enthusiasm for the Hampton trade was mitigated by my how psyched I was for Roger Cedeno, hard as that may now be to believe. When the Mets traded for Piazza, I thought it was cool but decidedly uncool to Todd Hundley, who had been about the second best hitting catcher in the league the prior two years and a favorite of mine. Obviously I didn’t know then how much I would come to love Piazza.

The Santana trade came in my third week working at SNY, so it was a pretty exciting time for me personally, and an especially exciting time for me for the Mets to trade for the best pitcher in baseball. The extension negotiations actually happened inside this office in a conference room upstairs. I mentioned this before but it’s kind of a funny story:

I will say, though, that there’s one minor scoop for which I am directly responsible and have never been credited. I was the anonymous source that fed Matt Cerrone the details of the Johan Santana contract.

It went like this: I got word that Santana, his agents and the Mets’ front office were negotiating his contract in the SNY offices because of their accessible Midtown location. I work in said offices, and figured out which conference room they were in (it wasn’t hard -— it’s the fancy one).

The workday was winding down as the negotiations were starting, and I had nothing particularly important to do that evening, so I went upstairs and parked myself at the receptionist’s desk outside the conference room. I considered doing the old sitcom cup-on-the-door thing. I IMmed Cerrone when they got dinner delivered.

I sat there for a while, browsing the Internet and waiting for something to happen. I was just about to give up when a dude — a young guy, must have been someone who worked for the agent or something -— emerged from the conference room on his cell phone.

“It’s done, dude,” he said. Then he paused.

He continued: “Six. Yeah, six and 137-point-five.”

Ideally, a lot of them. One frustrating thing you see bandied about pretty frequently is that “(Player X) is not a contributor on a championship team.” And if you look at championship teams, it’s so silly. The 2012 Giants used Ryan Theriot as a DH in the World Series. The Tigers gave tons of at-bats to Delmon Young, Brennan Boesch, Ramon Santiago and Ryan Raburn.

Every single guy on the Mets could be part of their next real good team. The guys who play infield all look more likely to be integral parts of that team than the guys who play outfield, but all the outfielders appear apt to be fine in part-time roles, so I wouldn’t even count any of them out yet.

The more important question, obviously, is who’s not on the team that’ll be part of the next real good Mets team. And that beats me. Who they are and where they come from will determine which of the current guys stick around when the club gets good.

People get frustrated with the Mets and David Wright is the most recognizable Met, so people transfer their frustration with the Mets to David Wright. I’m pretty sure that’s it. Same reason everyone blames quarterbacks for struggling NFL teams, same reason the Boston press blamed Ted Williams for the Red Sox never winning, etc.

Other than that, it makes no sense: Wright seems like exactly the type of dirty-uniform gamer many fans would love if he sucked, wearing his heart on his sleeve and playing through pain and generally being upbeat and cool about everything. It’s like he gets penalized for being awesome and handsome.

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That, or the Abe Lincoln look that prompted Jose Reyes to say, “Don’t worry, we’ll find the man who did this to you.”

Murphy’s subtly become a shifty facial hair guy for the Mets, but we don’t talk about it much because it’s only like the seventh or eighth most notable thing about Daniel Murphy.

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Gee doesn’t have nearly the value on the trade market that Niese does. Niese has been better for longer, for one thing, he’s slightly younger, he has been healthier, he throws left-handed, and he’s signed to a very team-friendly longterm deal. All the reports on Gee’s recovery sound promising, but as Toby Hyde pointed out, blood clots have jeopardized pitchers’ careers in the past.

Yes, but the right kind of weird.

So it’s settled then

I don’t think the Royals would trade Wil Myers for Jon Niese, but — and like I’ll say on the podcast — the Royals are the team supposedly open to trading Wil Myers, who hit 37 home runs as a 21-year-old in Double-A and Triple-A last season, even though one of its outfielders is Jeff Francoeur. So if there’s anything to this, the Mets should jump on that deal.

Niese is a good young pitcher signed to a very team-friendly contract. But he’s a pitcher, which means he’s no lock to stay healthy, and he’s yet to throw more than 200 innings in a season.

Myers hit so well in the Minors last year that his Major League equivalency line — .260/.320/.469 with 27 homers if you include his stats at both levels — would have made him arguably the second best hitter on the big-league Mets in 2012. That’s not saying much, sure, but it speaks to how badly the Mets could use more offense. And Myers is a right-handed hitting outfielder with power, which is the main thing the Mets need.

By my best guess, if Myers plays even average defense in an outfield corner, he would have been roughly as valuable to the Mets in 2012 as Niese was, and Myers is still at the age at which players can be expected to improve pretty rapidly.

Typically I’m skeptical of going all-in on prospects who have yet to perform at the big-league level, but Myers seems about as safe a bet as any, given his precocious production and his reputation. If the Royals are so desperate for affordable pitching that they’d trade him for Niese, then, you know, do it. But 74 percent of you already feel that way, so I realize I’m preaching to the choir.